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TIAGO AMT Gasoline

DTC Troubleshooting Guide

Version: 2.0

Date: 06-06-2016

Author: Sathi/Anupama

Page: 116 of 424

TATA MOTORS Ltd.

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35.

P0505 -02: Idle Engine Speed Input Signal Implausible / Signal Wrong

Overview:

ISO Code

P0505-02

Customer Symptom

Malfunction in manual upshift/downshift,

earlier/late up shifts/downshifts,

Jerky / sluggish gear shifting.

Fault Effects (On Vehicle)

Malfunction in manual up shift/downshift, earlier/late up

shifts/downshifts, jerky/ sluggish gear shifting.

Lamp Status (If Any)

Transmission Fault Lamp OFF

Fault Detection Condition

This fault gets detected after Ignition On if EMS signals the

TCU that Engine idle speed information on CAN is invalid OR

the idle Engine speed is outside allowable limits.

Normal Operating Condition

EMS signals the TCU that Engine idle speed information on

CAN is valid.

Engine Idle speed lies in a valid band.

Probable Trouble Area

Wiring Harness Connections / EMS / TCU

Healing Condition

100 milliseconds after valid sensor signal

Component Details:

Idle engine Speed signal is transmitted via CAN bus to the TCU. In case of this particular DTC being set, it is expected that an

EMS component is at fault.

Preliminary Checks:

1) Loose/ Damaged EMS sensor/actuator Connections.

2) Check for damage or back out of pins at EMS connector and TCU connector.

3) Check correct fitment of ground cable connections on vehicle chassis.

Trouble Shooting:-

Step Checks

IF YES

IF NO

Is there any rust/oxidation observed on EMS or

TCU connectors?

Clean the Rust or repair

or replace

Go to Step 2

2 Check with the EMS diagnostic tool, are there

to EMS (Refer EMS

service manual)

Go to step 3

Is TCU power connections on TCU connector

pins 5, 1, 3? Specifically check Ignition supply

toggling with key on/off.

Go to Step 4

Check and rectify harness

power connections.

Fault Still Persists?

Recheck the above

steps

Follow the steps again for

reconfirmation

the following points by referring TCU parameters using TML diagnostic tool

before handing over to customer.

After key and engine ON with TML TCU diagnostic tool connected, monitor the engine torque and confirm that it

changes with accelerator pedal press.

Drive the vehicle through all gears in both Automatic and Manual modes

Ensure no DTC is active and Transmission Fault Lamp is OFF.

Circuit Schematic Diagram: